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rose_griffes ([personal profile] rose_griffes) wrote2007-07-21 01:36 pm
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Deathy Hallows

purchased at 7:15 a.m.
started at 7:30 a.m.
finished at 1:15 p.m.


Sobs and sobs some more.
So good...

I might post something coherent later on, but here's my chronological reactions.

Harry's wand works independently now? Is it Fawkes somehow?

GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! That fanfic I read last week about Kreacher helping Regulus with the horcrus was right! It was written two years ago, so someone had a fabulous brainstorm.

Bill and Fleur's wedding--sweet. Too bad it was interrupted with such awful news.

Muggle-born wizards "steal" magic?! Yikes, this is scary-bad.

I would never have guessed that Kreacher could be won over by Harry. Wow.

We never did get an explanation for why some offices in the ministry were raining. Hm. eta: I guess it was the Order of the Phoenix, since Mr. Weasley seemed to know how to stop the spell./eta

Ron left. Oh...

Oooo, Gryffindor's sword destroys the horcruxes! At least they don't have to figure out some complicated spell to do it.

Ron returns. *sniffles* He destroys the locket with the sword! *sniffles again* Hermione and Ron reunited and it's perfect and I'm sniffling and laughing at the same time.

Voldemort's name is a taboo, interesting.

Oh, Luna's poor dad.

Wow, Harry's guess that the resurrection stone was in the snitch turned out to be correct.

Captured by Greyback! DOBBY! Hermione tortured, Pettigrew forced to kill himself for his compassion (with the silver hand).

OH DOBBY! *sniff* Luna closes his eyes. *sobs*

Voldemort gets the wand from Dumbledore's grave.

Adventure in Gringotts! Escape on dragonback, cool!

Voldemort's concerned and on the move.

To Hogsmeade! Aberforth Dumbledore! (what is the deal with the goats?! guess I'll have to re-read to remember that connection)

Oh Ariana... *sniff* Dueling, her death.

NEVILLE! OH NEVILLE! YAY! And Dumbledore's Army never really left. Hooray for the Room of Requirement!

Teachers helping in the fight!

PERCY!

KISSING! Ron and Hermione kissed!

OHOHOHOH Fred. *sniff*

Trelawny lobbing crystal balls! I was laughing out loud at this!

Luna et al help with their patronuses. might cry now

Nagini kills Severus; before his death he allows Harry to collect those memories. (heh, kinda icky)

NOOOOOO, not Lupin and Tonks. *wails*

Snape's memories. Lily, Petunia... Oh Severus. Now to Albus and Severus and I'm getting suspiciously red-eyed when I realize what this means for Harry.

Harry walking to the Forest. *stop reading for a bit to sob* Oh, his Mum and Dad and Remus and Sirius. *sobbing again*

And it happens and there's Albus and they're in a heavenly train station... and OH, I can hardly stand this and I'm almost done and there aren't any more books after this!

Back to life, back to Hogwarts. Neville gets the sword from the sorting hat. *hearts Neville times a million*

Kreacher into battle! *sob and laugh*

Final confrontation between Harry and what's left of Voldemort. And here we see the best of Harry and what his friends have taught him--Hermione's intelligence, Ron's persistence, his own love and loyalty...

And the battle's over, and the Malfoys are willing to stay in the thick of the celebration because they love their son.

Peeves and Ron get a final funny word in. Harry takes back his wand. Really nearly done and I'm so happy and sad at once.

Epilogue and Severus has his honor in Harry's son's name. *sigh*

It's done. Wow. (possibly time to eat something now)

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Word. I loved it. All of it... although the epilogue? Kind of not my favorite. A little too saccharine for me... but it brought me down from my elation, I guess.

But still, I have tingles. And yay food!

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, this is where my completely-shmoopy side wins out. I liked the epilogue. But it's my first reaction and I'll have a bit more objectivity when I look through it again later.

Lunch was good, although I'm still on a post-book high and wasn't really hungry. Possibly I ought to do something now that requires actual movement. Hee.

I'll have to read through the book next week and maybe post some actual thoughts but for now I'm quite happy.

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I was just like all "Woo!" at the end of the battle so to then transform to years later and the schmoopiness of "Albus Severus" and whatnot... gah. I mean, it was good and I was glad there was quasi-resolution, but it reminded me of so much fanfic.

But that said, I was totally right on about Harry being a Horcrux. I feel vindicated! Because it's totally what I thought would happen. And the RAB clue, too, but that was easy because everyone pretty much knew that.

That said, I'm a little bereft that Harry and Dumbledore didn't have a whole love conversation... I mean, did Dumbledore actually care about him? Or was it like it was in Snape's memories -- was Harry just a means to an end?

I mean, the talk in Kings Cross helped a bit, but... I wanna know!

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I was just like all "Woo!" at the end of the battle so to then transform to years later and the schmoopiness of "Albus Severus" and whatnot... gah. I mean, it was good and I was glad there was quasi-resolution, but it reminded me of so much fanfic.

Hehe. I think I'm at an advantage, being new enough to fandom that I haven't read a whole lot of stories in the HP verse... and BSG stories (at least the ones I like best) aren't overly sentimental, so I haven't been ruined that way either. and at the risk of sounding like a smartass I'll link to someone else's funny comment about reactions to the epilogue here (http://edeainfj.livejournal.com/491466.html#cutid1), mostly because I was very amused at this person's defense for the epilogue that she herself admitted to not liking.

But that said, I was totally right on about Harry being a Horcrux. I feel vindicated!

"Yes, you're very smart. Now shut up." (Princess Bride quote FTW!) It never occurred to me on my own that Harry might be a horcrux, but I dabbled just enough in HP stuff this last month to run across that theory... and it made sense. I'm jelus of your brainz for thinking of it. I didn't want it to be true because of what that would mean about Harry--and it did, but he was only mostly-dead, so that's okay. ;-)

As for Dumbledore and Harry, I think Albus' knowledge of the horcruxes played into his lack of closeness--it wasn't just the mind-connection to Voldemort, it was the knowledge that Harry might pay that ultimate price. I do think Dumbledore loved him, but he also had more layers than we had previously seen--his ambition, his fear of that ambition... and that recognition of the same qualities in Tom Riddle is part of why he stayed away from Tom, when he might have helped change him during those formative years. (That doesn't change the fact that Tom is responsible for himself, but a little more effort on the part of a concerned adult might have made a difference in his life. And that's another piece of the story--Harry had the same circumstances and abilities, also lacking in caring adults, but didn't make the same choices... and now I'm blathering, sorry.)

Also, there's an awesome multi-part love-fest review here (http://12-12-12.livejournal.com/4037.html)

Ooh, choosing an icon made me realize--no Lockhart. Poor Gilderoy.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Been thinking about the epilogue plus what we talked about in the last entry I made about HP. So much of the HP series dwells on the lack of father-figures--or father figures who are lacking--that Rowling probably wrote what felt most emotionally satisfying to her after all of that... and that would be showing us what a good father Harry is. (hm, coincidence that Rowling started writing the books back when she was a single mother?)

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Hehe. I think I'm at an advantage, being new enough to fandom that I haven't read a whole lot of stories in the HP verse... and BSG stories (at least the ones I like best) aren't overly sentimental, so I haven't been ruined that way either

It's not that I didn't want resolution... but the idea of the kids being named James, Lily and Albus Severus respectively made me want to vomit in a big way. And of course, I'm one of those people with a problem with Ginny Weasley, mainly because the course of their relationship was so contrived and I didn't really feel it necessary to the story... same with Ron and Hermione. Sigh. I'm not much of a shipper as a big Harry fan who just wants him to have a freakin' childhood. So seeing all his father figures discredited or dying might push Rowling to write an epilogue where he's the dad... and that's great and all. But what about Harry as a wizard?

Is he living in the Muggle world? Cause that's what it seems like, since Albus has no idea who he is.

And I continue my dance of victory on the whole Horcrux thing. And we were both totally right about Snape being good... though I thought he'd redeem himself in death by dying for someone Harry loves. I do like the way it played out.

And for a second, I totally thought that the blond boy stealing the wand or whatever that Voldemort kept seeing WAS going to be Lockhart, not Albus. Hehe.

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I need like a separate posting to reply to the whole Dumbledore thing, because yes, I loved seeing more about Dumbledore because he's actually a lot more how I imagined him: ambitious, cunning, a Slytherin in Gryffindor clothing. And he's completely Machiavellan. He orchestrates his own death! He's a mastermind. And he's alone, because as the most powerful wizard in the world for so long, he doesn't have a personal network.

I think the parallels between Voldemort and Dumbledore are outstanding, and it's interesting to see that Harry triumphs by being a better person, not a better wizard. And Dumbledore is redeemed by Harry, because I think Harry's taught him just as much about being human... he feels remorse, and yes, maybe he even comes to love Harry but we never get to really know, which is a shame, since Harry was struggling with it throughout his quest.

I mean, if I was Harry, I'd wonder whether the people in my life loved me for me, or for what I was... and who I was related to, as well. Sirius and Remus -- did they love Harry or just James in Harry? Snape loved Lily in Harry, as evidenced by the whole "look at me" thing at the end, where he wanted to see Lily's eyes once more.

And Dumbledore saw the freedom of the wizarding world in Harry.

I think Hagrid and Hermione have been the most true to Harry, and the ones who understand him the best in a way that he needs. Mr. and Mrs. Weasley and the twins are great as well, but there's more of a distance there.

I just think that if in the Kings Cross Station, perhaps having Dumbledore display his love for his Harry -- not just his pride like in the portrait scene at the end -- would show how Harry saved Dumbledore, just like he tried to "save" Tom.

That said, the Dumbledore/Harry relationship will continue to be my very favorite thing about the series, which is why the last two books are my favorite.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
I think the parallels between Voldemort and Dumbledore are outstanding, and it's interesting to see that Harry triumphs by being a better person, not a better wizard.
I mean, if I was Harry, I'd wonder whether the people in my life loved me for me, or for what I was... and who I was related to, as well.


Hooray for Machiavellian Dumbledore! It didn't occur to me that Harry might perceive himself as just a weapon in Dumbledore's eyes... but that does make sense. I was too busy squeeing over Neville and Luna and Molly Weasley et al getting their opportunities to shine.

Snape loved Lily in Harry, as evidenced by the whole "look at me" thing at the end, where he wanted to see Lily's eyes once more.

Oh, now I'm going to cry over Snape's death when I re-read it. I just didn't even make that connection about Harry and Lily's eyes, I was reading so fast at that point. *sniff* (My thoughts for that moment were something along the lines of Snape thinking "don't you ever call me coward again.")

I think Hagrid and Hermione have been the most true to Harry, and the ones who understand him the best in a way that he needs.

I'd add Luna to the list of people who understand Harry and what he needs, even though she hasn't been a part of the charmed circle most of the time. The Luna/Harry interactions were some of my favorite moments. (I also loved it that she proves herself to be such a Ravenclaw. It's easy to think sometimes that all of the brave actions should be done by Gryffindors.)

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Er, you mean Grindelwald, right? blond boy stealing the wand?

I'm one of those people with a problem with Ginny Weasley, mainly because the course of their relationship was so contrived and I didn't really feel it necessary to the story... same with Ron and Hermione.

Hm, what bothers me more about the level of shippiness is simply that most people don't meet their mates at that age and figure it out so early. But I liked how the reunion with Hermione and Ron was handled--so funny and cute and not-really-shippy, and I love it that Hermione later kisses Ron because of his thoughtfulness (for once) about the house elves. (And how much did I love those house elves, and the fact that SPEW had some meaning in this book?!) As for Harry/Ginny, I'm vaguely whatever-ish about them. Canon is fine, but I'd agree, it did feel a bit contrived. (I'd prefer Harry/Luna, if I got to choose.)

Is he living in the Muggle world? Cause that's what it seems like, since Albus has no idea who he is.

Ooh, good question about which world Harry and Ginny live in. Hm. I was wondering how their kid could be so oblivious. I guess I could see them living in a quiet part of the wizarding world--Harry commuting to work each day from some village that's mostly inhabited by Muggles.

And we were both totally right about Snape being good... though I thought he'd redeem himself in death by dying for someone Harry loves. I do like the way it played out.

Snape's death--I was prepared for it to be more of a standoff, but I agree, I like the way it was done. It fits Voldemort's personality. (Heh, Snape dying is the one thing everyone guessed correctly.)

I'm not much of a shipper as a big Harry fan who just wants him to have a freakin' childhood.

Wow, we're quite consistent in what we like in our fandoms. You're busy loving the main character and wanting the best for him/her, and I'm over here saying go, secondary characters!

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
It didn't occur to me that Harry might perceive himself as just a weapon in Dumbledore's eyes... but that does make sense.

I've been assuming that Harry's been struggling with this over the course of the entire series. I know that I have. Dumbledore is such a hero in the first book, and only Hermione questions his actions fully... smart girl. But yeah, I wish there'd been something to resolve it a bit more fully in my eyes. Well, perhaps rereading the last part tomorrow will help... hehe.

I was too busy squeeing over Neville and Luna and Molly Weasley et al getting their opportunities to shine.

Yes, this was lovely, the way that everyone had to stand up and fight. Though she couldn't have killed Lucius? I'm fine with the other Malfoys living... but Lucius?

I'd add Luna to the list of people who understand Harry and what he needs, even though she hasn't been a part of the charmed circle most of the time. The Luna/Harry interactions were some of my favorite moments. (I also loved it that she proves herself to be such a Ravenclaw. It's easy to think sometimes that all of the brave actions should be done by Gryffindors.)

Oo yes, absolutely add Luna to the list. She gets Harry in a way that no one else does. I love the idea of Harry/Luna as well; their interactions are always interesting. After seeing the movie, I'm reminded of how interesting Luna is... and how they share so much. And Harry seeing her room! I loved it.

That's why I find it sad that Ginny is who he ends up with when she's the one who hero-worshipped him all this time. It just seems like we've never seen him really open up to her, unless you count his mouth.

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
Err, yes, I meant Grindelwald. Whoops. Hey, how do you make your font so small in comments? Umm... I have no idea how to do so.

Hm, what bothers me more about the level of shippiness is simply that most people don't meet their mates at that age and figure it out so early

This seems to be a Wizarding World thing, I've noticed. James and Lily met and got married right out of Hogwarts, Fleur married Bill right after getting out of school... I'd say it's a wizarding thing and a war thing. The wizarding version of the baby boom and all. But again, I'm so apathetic towards Ron, that Ron/Hermione doesn't really interest me much.

I guess I could see them living in a quiet part of the wizarding world--Harry commuting to work each day from some village that's mostly inhabited by Muggles.

Hmm, I'd guess that Harry would distance himself from some of the Wizarding world... maybe he's a stay at home dad? I can't imagine him getting a "regular" job, unless it was Quidditch star, Auror or Hogwarts teacher. But him being an Auror would mean that he'd have to live in the Wizarding world... in which case, totally weird that his son doesn't know who he is, because the OTHER son would, since he's been at Hogwarts for at least a year! The epilogue is some shoddy work, damn it.

Wow, we're quite consistent in what we like in our fandoms. You're busy loving the main character and wanting the best for him/her, and I'm over here saying go, secondary characters!

I know, I'm so predictable. I love excellent secondary characters and want them to enrich whatever I'm reading, but there's always the one character that I love and support and want a focus on.




[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
to make the font small use the word "small" in the brackets. Easy, eh?

I'm so apathetic towards Ron, that Ron/Hermione doesn't really interest me much.

I like Ron and I love Hermione. And hey, we can't argue that we didn't see that relationship coming. Hee. I guess what I like about Ron is that without him Harry and Hermione can be so grim... like in book 4. He adds a necessary levity. Plus he's got the wizard-world culture down pat, something that Harry and Hermione really needed in this book.

there's always the one character that I love and support and want a focus on.

I'll have to think about this, but I'm guessing if I look back over shows I've loved, I have a general love rather than one-true-character love. Interesting.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
I've been assuming that Harry's been struggling with this over the course of the entire series.
Started re-reading parts and there it is in the text, early in this book--Harry wondering if he's just a tool. Easy to overlook with all the action. BTW, it seemed to me that the action scenes were written better this time... or maybe I've grown accustomed to Rowling's style. (I thought the big action scene in book five was horribly confusing when I first read it.)

I'm fine with the other Malfoys living... but Lucius?

No, she can't kill Luscious Lucius! 'Cause he's sexy remorseful! Hm, maybe she got tired of killing dads by then.

It just seems like we've never seen him really open up to her, unless you count his mouth.

HEEEEEE! So true, and I'm still laughing--great line.

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Ron and Hermione have been coming for a long time... and I love that Ron lets Harry act like the boy that he is. He just frustrates me a lot, that's all... and I'm not attached to him like I am Harry or Hermione... or Fred! Fred was my favorite twin. I can't believe she killed him. What's Angelina gonna think?!?

And Remus!

Now I'm sad.

But Ron is interesting because he's such a barometer for the Wizarding World. He's just as prejudiced as his fellow Wizards, so it's interesting to see how his beliefs are challenged. I just wish he wasn't such a baby about it. heh.

I'm mean, I know, but Hermione and Harry do okay, why can't Ron just suck it up sometimes?

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 04:16 am (UTC)(link)

No, she can't kill Luscious Lucius! 'Cause he's sexy remorseful! Hm, maybe she got tired of killing dads by then.

I'm starting to see a pattern with you... Leoben, Lucius. And here I thought I was the only one oddly intrigued by the "bad" guy (or robot. Whatever).

Started re-reading parts and there it is in the text, early in this book--Harry wondering if he's just a tool. Easy to overlook with all the action.

It's also a major theme of Book 5. I think that's when Harry started really questioning it, because after Cedric's death, he realized it's not a game, that not everything turns out right in the end. And the events of the TriWizard Tournament show how fallible Dumbledore is...

BTW, it seemed to me that the action scenes were written better this time... or maybe I've grown accustomed to Rowling's style. (I thought the big action scene in book five was horribly confusing when I first read it.)

Oh YES. The book was loads better, in terms of plot and writing, in comparison to Book 5. Though again, the epilogue came off as kind of sloppy to me. I'll be here firmly in the anti-epilogue section!

And yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed my line... but seriously, I thought it was all hormones. All those "hours" spent with ginny... umm, all they did was made out.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I was never that fond of the twins--possibly because my inner teacher is appalled at their behavior. Heh. Poor Angelina, though. She's tough... she'll make it okay. As for Remus, I had a feeling about him before starting--not that I wanted him to die, but the Marauders have all met such untimely ends. I was upset when Tonks bit it as well, and her father too. Poor baby Teddy. I wonder if Andromeda Tonks is raising him?

Ron is interesting because he's such a barometer for the Wizarding World. He's just as prejudiced as his fellow Wizards, so it's interesting to see how his beliefs are challenged.

Ron = barometer; good point. What I like about him is that his prejudices can be overturned, a little bit at a time. Plus he's just a great guy--in a series with people who have extraordinary powers, it's nice (for me) to see someone who's helpful to the cause just because he's there and tries to do what's right, and is allowed to mess up and then fix it. One more example of the redemption theme, in a small, easy-to-digest slice. (He's Xander! Whoa! And I loved Xander, even when he was really really annoying--which he was, often.)

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm starting to see a pattern with you... Leoben, Lucius. And here I thought I was the only one oddly intrigued by the "bad" guy (or robot. Whatever).

Heh, I was mocking myself a bit for my blond-haired, blue-eyed villain obsession. I doubt I'd be so interested in Lucius if we didn't have the onscreen version looking so tasty. I really like the ambiguity of the Malfoys at the end; the idea that their true cause is their family is intriguing. Family more important than power for Lucius? Cool. (To be fair, I do think Lucius belongs back in Azkaban when it's functioning properly again, although not necessarily for a life sentence. Narcissa and Draco? Erm, that's a harder call to make. Oh, and how's Azkaban going to be run now? Dementors again? I don't think the Ministry would risk it.)

Hm, next time I feel like cracking open one of the earlier books I'll have to pay attention to the parents of other students--do we know of any pure-blood children who have divorced parents? All of the broken marriages I can think of have been pairings of magic to non-magic persons.

Though again, the epilogue came off as kind of sloppy to me. I'll be here firmly in the anti-epilogue section!

I'm still firmly in the pro-epilogue camp. This is a fairy tale, literally. I want my happily-ever-after. Plus after the big themes of redemption, love, good versus evil, this is the story of a boy without a family... and I already made my statement about how important it is to me that he's a good father and has a loving family... and I'll now stop talking about it, heh. (I accept your dislike of the epilogue and disagree, is what I should say. ;-)

I'm quite glad now that I had barely skimmed the surface of HP fanfic before book seven because it's a lot easier to confuse fanfic with canon when they're in the same medium. I never have that problem with BSG stuff.

[identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus he's just a great guy--in a series with people who have extraordinary powers, it's nice (for me) to see someone who's helpful to the cause just because he's there and tries to do what's right, and is allowed to mess up and then fix it.

Hmm... I don't see Ron like this at all. I always thought that was supposed to be Harry -- an average kid, someone who isn't exceptional academically the way that Hermione is -- but who tries again and again to do the right thing, even when it'd be easier to give up, especially when he makes colossal mistakes. Ron gives up far too easily and often for my liking.

Ron is such a symbol of the wizarding world, because yes, he's a barometer, but he also acts the way that so many of them do -- sit around and wait for Harry to do something, or for Harry or Dumbledore to have all the answers. It's frustrating for me, because I think he's so dependent on others. That said, I think he grows up considerably during Book 7, but it's a long time coming.

And yes, he's totally Xander, although Xander was much more optimistic and supportive, at least for the majority of the seasons. (I ignore season 6 and 7 because they're so weird and... bleah.)

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I think Harry = Buffy. He has a destiny, he actually is a gifted wizard (remember how early he learned to cast the patronus spell) and he survives when it seems unlikely. And part of his gift comes from a dark source against his will, sort of like the slayer powers.

[identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
Hope I'm not too late to the party. I agree with so much that you and pataka have said here.

First ships. It so interesting when a series ends and you realize your ship is never going to happen. First, these kids were eleven so I just liked the three of them as friends (still did till the end). I didn't really ship anybody. As they got older, I did kind of want Harry and Hermione to get together but that was never even hinted at. Then I read the last two books and really thought of Harry/Luna. Harry seemed to like those lonely types like Luna, like Dobby. But then I thought Harry was like Frodo and wouldn't get a happy ending like Sam.

The epilogue. I'm indifferent. I didn't think it was necessary but I don't hate it. I find it interesting, Rose that you like a happy ending. Surprises me because this was a very sweet, shippery ending.

My unanswered question was about Slytherin. How can that fit into Hogwarts now? The Slytherins so separated themselves in the battle.

I liked that when little Albus was so afraid of being in Slytherin and Harry told him that he did have a choice. Not that Slytherin was bad, I mean he carries Snape's name, but one of my favorite lines from book one was from Dumbledore:

"It's not how you're born but who you choose to be!" (Not exact quote, I'm not at home to check it.)

What a great message to young readers. Free will winning out again! This book was such fun. I'll miss them.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
As they got older, I did kind of want Harry and Hermione to get together but that was never even hinted at.

Lots of people felt the same way. It wasn't something I ever hoped for, but since I tend to be fairly unshippy anyway...

Then I read the last two books and really thought of Harry/Luna. Harry seemed to like those lonely types like Luna, like Dobby. But then I thought Harry was like Frodo and wouldn't get a happy ending like Sam.

Go Harry/Luna! I do think they had qualities that would mesh well in a romantic relationship. Heh. As for Harry=Frodo, I was really worried about the same thing--that Harry wouldn't get a happy ending. Nice to have my worst fears not realized.

This book was such fun. I'll miss them.

Yeah, I love my fantasy epics. I'm sure I'll be re-reading, though. (I've read book seven twice already.)

[identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I read your most excellent links above last night. I so liked Luna with the pictures of her friends on her ceiling. I wonder what happened to her. There was something quiet and unique and smart about her.

I'm still intrigued that you wanted a happy ending for Harry. You do have a fluffy streak in you, I guess. Don't we all? I would have been okay with him dying or going off on his own. Such things should change you. But one of the things I liked most about Harry and the other characters is that they didn't change. Grew up some but they all are still at heart who they were.

I don't own the book and just borrowed it while on holiday. So I had to read everything before I leave. Any rereading will have to be before I go home. I actually want to read book 1 and 3 again and see the hints of things to come.

I'm not much for fantasy epics. But I love a good character yarn and this one hooked me, hooked me for sure.

[identity profile] rose-griffes.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm still intrigued that you wanted a happy ending for Harry. You do have a fluffy streak in you, I guess. Don't we all?

Heh, I have a massive streak of fluffiness appreciation. More of my omnivorous reading habits--gimme all of it, happy, sad, romantic, angsty... just don't gross me out too much. (I like fantasy but I haven't read any Neil Gaiman since he freaked me out in one book... too bad, he seemed like a great author, but there was one way-too-icky/creepy scene and I can't go back now.)

I would have been okay with him dying or going off on his own.

Actually I would have been, too... even though these are supposedly books for children (or more specifically 'young adult' novels). But I'm even more glad to have the happy ending because of that--I knew that letting go of Harry (due to death or permanent emotional scars) was a possibility, but it's nice to have the opposite. The previous novels definitely give hint at the sad possibilities, and if Rowling had chosen to go that route, I think it could have been easily justified.

Hm. I guess I generally like whatever the author/creator chooses unless it's truly a stupid ending. Did you ever watch the movie "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?" My friends were indignant at the (not happy) ending, I was arguing that it was poetic and appropriate for what we knew of the characters. (Maybe I should be a defense attorney for authors/movie-makers in fandom court--heh. Except that I'm terrible at debate...)

want another link? Orson Scott Card reviews the book here (http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2007-07-29-extra.shtml). He's a big fan of the books.