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rose_griffes) wrote2012-01-09 07:12 pm
rose_griffes) wrote2012-01-09 07:12 pm
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Huh. I managed to catch up on Fringe before the show comes back.
I feel like I should have a fancy name for this pile of thoughts. Something like Reflections in Amber. *laughs* Anyway, here are my (spoilery for everything aired so far, which means through 4.07) observations and thoughts about the Amber timeline.
I just now noticed that the opening credits include the phrase Philosopher's Stone. Hah! Oh, Fringe... This pile of randomness could well be wrong. Please feel free to point out any incorrect information; I've only watched most episodes once and unlike Olivia, I don't have eidetic memory.
Broyles(es) Redverse Broyles is alive now, yay! No other changes I can recall about them, though I'm happy to revise any of this entry if y'all point something out in the comments.
Nina Sharp is taking the ambiguity out of ambiguously evil. She'd gotten a bit cozy with the team before the reset; now we see her doing some kind of drug testing (?) on Olivia without Olivia's consent or knowledge and making speeches saying, "Ethics, smethics, let's go invent stuff with Science and let other people worry about things like morals!"
Is there a Nina Sharp in redverse? I don't think there is.
Lincoln Lee(s) Redverse Lee is back to his job as team leader of Oliva and Charlie now that Broyles isn't dead. Our Lincoln gets to meet our Olivia for the first time rather than the second time, because that first meeting never happened in the Amber timeline. Both Lincolns have crushes on Olivia(s). As well they should. (I'm not rooting for Olivia/Lincoln, merely acknowledging the awesomeness of all Olivias everywhere.)
eta: I forgot, blue-verse Lincoln didn't have that partner the first time we met him... but this new 'first' time he did have that partner, and they were close.
Astrid Farnsworth Our Astrid gets to GO INTO THE FIELD! Wheee!
Walter Bishop has the most dire changes, in my opinion. No living son (stolen or otherwise). He never leaves his lab. His personality has a lot of the season one aspects: cringing, childlike. Not much growth without someone to motivate him to become more independent.
Walternate is presumably still planningwacky hijinx Evil Things to destroy the blue universe in an attempt to save his. Evidence? The new forms of shapeshifters.
Redverse Olivia no longer has baby Henry. She's still trusted by Walternate (presumably) and working with the team. Frank is still in her life. (How much did I love that scene with her wearing the blonde wig and smirking at our Olivia? THISSSSS much.)
Our Olivia has different kind of damages than original Olivia. She remembers the Cortexiphan drug trials, but she ran away from them. Instead of just wounding her abusive stepfather, she killed him. I'm curious if her mother's death was moved earlier, because in this timeline Nina Sharp took Olivia and Rachel into her home at some point during their teenage years.
This Olivia is closed off. Olivia was always emotionally guarded, but in this timeline she appears more distant with the Harvard lab team, Walter in particular. She's less empathetic, and worries that taking the weirdness of her job in stride without being bothered by it is a sign of... something. Something isolating inside her.
Oh, and Olivia doesn't have any abilities connected to the Cortexiphan trials. They haven't been activated, at any rate.
Olivia continues to have a tendency to look to the closest male for a romantic interest: her work partner. (John Scott, Peter Bishop, now Lincoln Lee.) Though that does bring up the question: did Olivia have an affair with John Scott in this timeline?
My other big Olivia question: how did she get home (alive) from the other universe? Walternate doesn't seem like the type to send her back alive if he didn't have to.
Peter Bishop Is this our Peter? Has he been changed by prolonged contact with the Doomsday Machine? WHERE DID HE GO?! WHY is he back? HOW is he back?
Er, non-question stuff. Peter seems to be in shut-down mode now that he realizes that he has no connections to this universe/timeline. He's not going to let himself get attached or hurt. And he's even trying to help Lincoln with Olivia? It's... adorable and heart-smushing at the same time.
Red universe is still breaking down. The amber containment is still in use; we caught a glimpse of some during the episode with the serial killer/profiler doppelgangers.
Blue universe It's fairly undefined right now; is there still a Pattern of events triggered by Walter's abduction of young Peter? (Does Peter Bishop have to be present for those events to happen?) There's still a Fringe division, but Cameron/Mike was the first Cortexi-kid in this timeline to go active, at least that we know of.
My best guess: things are still breaking down on our side as well, though maybe not as fast as before... and it could speed up again with a living (and stolen from one universe into another) Peter Bishop present.
The Machine/the reset The bridge between the two worlds is still there. People on both sides are ostensibly cooperating, although they're not getting a whole lot done to figure out the big questions on how to fix the two worlds. Instead we're still getting cases of the week.
No Observers in this timeline. (None that we've, uh, observed, anyway. Heh.) Interesting.
I'm assuming that the two worlds are the same two worlds we've been watching, and that the machine did a reset. But was it an overlay on top of the existing years or was there truly a reset back to the 1980's? An overlay would imply that choices were made for the characters, rather than the characters themselves having agency in a new set of circumstances.
I'm more inclined to the template overlaid onto an already lived past idea... it would go a long way toward explaining why Olivia feels a lack in herself, and why she was dreaming about Peter Bishop.
but what about... I really don't know where the show is headed, but I really miss original Olivia. Her crazy cortexiphan-related abilities, her role in the psuedo-family of the lab, her warmth, her slowly evolving relationship with Peter... I like all the Olivias, but I want the original version eventually.
I just now noticed that the opening credits include the phrase Philosopher's Stone. Hah! Oh, Fringe... This pile of randomness could well be wrong. Please feel free to point out any incorrect information; I've only watched most episodes once and unlike Olivia, I don't have eidetic memory.
Broyles(es) Redverse Broyles is alive now, yay! No other changes I can recall about them, though I'm happy to revise any of this entry if y'all point something out in the comments.
Nina Sharp is taking the ambiguity out of ambiguously evil. She'd gotten a bit cozy with the team before the reset; now we see her doing some kind of drug testing (?) on Olivia without Olivia's consent or knowledge and making speeches saying, "Ethics, smethics, let's go invent stuff with Science and let other people worry about things like morals!"
Is there a Nina Sharp in redverse? I don't think there is.
Lincoln Lee(s) Redverse Lee is back to his job as team leader of Oliva and Charlie now that Broyles isn't dead. Our Lincoln gets to meet our Olivia for the first time rather than the second time, because that first meeting never happened in the Amber timeline. Both Lincolns have crushes on Olivia(s). As well they should. (I'm not rooting for Olivia/Lincoln, merely acknowledging the awesomeness of all Olivias everywhere.)
eta: I forgot, blue-verse Lincoln didn't have that partner the first time we met him... but this new 'first' time he did have that partner, and they were close.
Astrid Farnsworth Our Astrid gets to GO INTO THE FIELD! Wheee!
Walter Bishop has the most dire changes, in my opinion. No living son (stolen or otherwise). He never leaves his lab. His personality has a lot of the season one aspects: cringing, childlike. Not much growth without someone to motivate him to become more independent.
Walternate is presumably still planning
Redverse Olivia no longer has baby Henry. She's still trusted by Walternate (presumably) and working with the team. Frank is still in her life. (How much did I love that scene with her wearing the blonde wig and smirking at our Olivia? THISSSSS much.)
Our Olivia has different kind of damages than original Olivia. She remembers the Cortexiphan drug trials, but she ran away from them. Instead of just wounding her abusive stepfather, she killed him. I'm curious if her mother's death was moved earlier, because in this timeline Nina Sharp took Olivia and Rachel into her home at some point during their teenage years.
This Olivia is closed off. Olivia was always emotionally guarded, but in this timeline she appears more distant with the Harvard lab team, Walter in particular. She's less empathetic, and worries that taking the weirdness of her job in stride without being bothered by it is a sign of... something. Something isolating inside her.
Oh, and Olivia doesn't have any abilities connected to the Cortexiphan trials. They haven't been activated, at any rate.
Olivia continues to have a tendency to look to the closest male for a romantic interest: her work partner. (John Scott, Peter Bishop, now Lincoln Lee.) Though that does bring up the question: did Olivia have an affair with John Scott in this timeline?
My other big Olivia question: how did she get home (alive) from the other universe? Walternate doesn't seem like the type to send her back alive if he didn't have to.
Peter Bishop Is this our Peter? Has he been changed by prolonged contact with the Doomsday Machine? WHERE DID HE GO?! WHY is he back? HOW is he back?
Er, non-question stuff. Peter seems to be in shut-down mode now that he realizes that he has no connections to this universe/timeline. He's not going to let himself get attached or hurt. And he's even trying to help Lincoln with Olivia? It's... adorable and heart-smushing at the same time.
Red universe is still breaking down. The amber containment is still in use; we caught a glimpse of some during the episode with the serial killer/profiler doppelgangers.
Blue universe It's fairly undefined right now; is there still a Pattern of events triggered by Walter's abduction of young Peter? (Does Peter Bishop have to be present for those events to happen?) There's still a Fringe division, but Cameron/Mike was the first Cortexi-kid in this timeline to go active, at least that we know of.
My best guess: things are still breaking down on our side as well, though maybe not as fast as before... and it could speed up again with a living (and stolen from one universe into another) Peter Bishop present.
The Machine/the reset The bridge between the two worlds is still there. People on both sides are ostensibly cooperating, although they're not getting a whole lot done to figure out the big questions on how to fix the two worlds. Instead we're still getting cases of the week.
No Observers in this timeline. (None that we've, uh, observed, anyway. Heh.) Interesting.
I'm assuming that the two worlds are the same two worlds we've been watching, and that the machine did a reset. But was it an overlay on top of the existing years or was there truly a reset back to the 1980's? An overlay would imply that choices were made for the characters, rather than the characters themselves having agency in a new set of circumstances.
I'm more inclined to the template overlaid onto an already lived past idea... it would go a long way toward explaining why Olivia feels a lack in herself, and why she was dreaming about Peter Bishop.
but what about... I really don't know where the show is headed, but I really miss original Olivia. Her crazy cortexiphan-related abilities, her role in the psuedo-family of the lab, her warmth, her slowly evolving relationship with Peter... I like all the Olivias, but I want the original version eventually.