Hi Rose! Gosh, you and I haven't discussed Leoben in so long! Is there new stuff to say about him? Hmm . . . :-)
The show has made it canon that all Twos are obsessed with Kara? I am sorry, if I don't remember where they said that. It seems so long since Leoben was focused on on the show. Hmm. I do remember you not liking Head!not!Leoben (my favorite Leoben). "Who invited you?" was your phrase for him. You did seem to want there to be one Leoben who had that intense focus with Kara. Why did you want only one?
I don't know if they are all obsesssed with Kara or if they are all just predisposed to be obsessed with Kara. Like the Eights are predisposed to want to procreate or the Sixes are predipsoed to like sex. (Though I think all Cylons really like sex. Um, all humans too.:-)) I don't have any confirmation on these two things but I wouldn't be surprised if it was confirmed someday.
I don't believe that the Cylons having individuality plays to their strengths. If the Twos all want Kara, don't they have more chance of success of getting whatever it is they want from her than if it were just one? And I'm not even talking about love or a relationship. Kara is tied to the Cylons' (or Leoben's) destiny somehow. Being obsessed with her is part of his role in the cycle of time to play. At least that's how it seems he had explained it in the past. He's certainly off the grid with her now, but maybe that's his role in this cycle. Maybe it wasn't always so. Maybe this time he's supposed to be off the grid. Who knows?
Do we need to redefine what it means to be a person (I'm deliberately not using the word human)? I don't think so. Because I don't think they are people or human. And I don't really want them to be. :-) The show has enough people. They are Cylons!
Where does free will fit in, if they all feel the same way? It didn't fit in. They were just playing their roles. Their destiny was to feel all the same. It was written, just like all women have similiar parts. It's who they were. Now? I do think that the Gaeta-Eight in the webisodes proved there is free will. But each model still has the same basic blueprint as the rest of their model. They are diverging from a single point now but their basic tendencies are the same. Sort of like twins with all the same genetic material but raised apart? Does that make sense?
If they can't download, can they still share experiences like before, or will they now have to develop individually? They have to develop individually and woe to them! I don't know if they can do it successfully,honestly. Boomer and Caprica tried and look at them. Cavil and D'Anna seem to be the only ones with any true success with being individuals. And Cavil hates it and believes it their strength is in being machines (eh, I might agree with him) and then he boxed D'Anna for her incessant curiosity.
Will the Cylons storm the castle of individuality and win? I don't know! But seeing this way makes it fun to watch and see!
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The show has made it canon that all Twos are obsessed with Kara? I am sorry, if I don't remember where they said that. It seems so long since Leoben was focused on on the show. Hmm. I do remember you not liking Head!not!Leoben (my favorite Leoben). "Who invited you?" was your phrase for him. You did seem to want there to be one Leoben who had that intense focus with Kara. Why did you want only one?
I don't know if they are all obsesssed with Kara or if they are all just predisposed to be obsessed with Kara. Like the Eights are predisposed to want to procreate or the Sixes are predipsoed to like sex. (Though I think all Cylons really like sex. Um, all humans too.:-)) I don't have any confirmation on these two things but I wouldn't be surprised if it was confirmed someday.
I don't believe that the Cylons having individuality plays to their strengths. If the Twos all want Kara, don't they have more chance of success of getting whatever it is they want from her than if it were just one? And I'm not even talking about love or a relationship. Kara is tied to the Cylons' (or Leoben's) destiny somehow. Being obsessed with her is part of his role in the cycle of time to play. At least that's how it seems he had explained it in the past. He's certainly off the grid with her now, but maybe that's his role in this cycle. Maybe it wasn't always so. Maybe this time he's supposed to be off the grid. Who knows?
Do we need to redefine what it means to be a person (I'm deliberately not using the word human)?
I don't think so. Because I don't think they are people or human. And I don't really want them to be. :-) The show has enough people. They are Cylons!
Where does free will fit in, if they all feel the same way?
It didn't fit in. They were just playing their roles. Their destiny was to feel all the same. It was written, just like all women have similiar parts. It's who they were. Now? I do think that the Gaeta-Eight in the webisodes proved there is free will. But each model still has the same basic blueprint as the rest of their model. They are diverging from a single point now but their basic tendencies are the same. Sort of like twins with all the same genetic material but raised apart? Does that make sense?
If they can't download, can they still share experiences like before, or will they now have to develop individually?
They have to develop individually and woe to them! I don't know if they can do it successfully,honestly. Boomer and Caprica tried and look at them. Cavil and D'Anna seem to be the only ones with any true success with being individuals. And Cavil hates it and believes it their strength is in being machines (eh, I might agree with him) and then he boxed D'Anna for her incessant curiosity.
Will the Cylons storm the castle of individuality and win? I don't know! But seeing this way makes it fun to watch and see!