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Battlestar Galactica this week
Weird, this week's episode is still not available through Amazon Unbox. Thank goodness this season's episodes are being posted to the Sci-Fi website, otherwise I would be very cranky indeed. (Remember last year when 'Maelstrom' wasn't available through iTunes for almost two days? Well, I remember.)
Um, don't be surprised at a Kara Kara Kara Leoben Leoben Sam focus in what I write. And I actually stopped and transcribed partsbecause I'm clearly insane.
Day 58 now aboard the Demetrius. Okay. That's thirty-six days since last week's episode.
Helo tries to talk to Kara about meeting up with Galactica; she's too immersed in her search to listen. Kara is really twitchy in this scene: she's scratching her skin, which is covered in paint. Her facial expressions change in a flash. It's making me nervous just watching her.
When Helo points out that they've searched that grid twice now, she says, "Third time's a charm." He doesn't try and add any other complaints, instead asking if she's gotten any sleep. I'd say from the looks of her that the answer is no.
"It was so clear when I got back. If I could just focus. I know that I could find that sound again." I really don't think that Kara's the final cylon, but they're having lots of fun scattering false trails around. Even Cally Tyrol got to have her share of them.
Kara, in another mercurial twist, decides to fly CAP. Helo questions this (diplomatically, because that's how he works)--she hasn't flown since they left the fleet. Wow, it's no wonder her head's all screwed up. (Kara/Viper otp)
Shift to Baltar's First Church of Perfect-Town (thanks for the name,![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
nicole_anell) and a woman is expressing her anger over the destruction of the colonies, the loss of her husband and children. Though I'm iffy about this whole storyline, I'm 1) curious to see where it will go and 2) glad to see it gives somebody a voice to say what the common people feel. Gaius uses this as an opportunity to say that the Gods don't exist. Oh, and red-headed Charlie's Angel is right there, worshipping at his feet. Yikes. It looks like she's reaching for an amulet or something when Baltar and the angry woman discuss the non-existence of the Gods. Nice touch. Oh, and smiteThem!girl is there too.
"We have been pandering to our own ignorance for far too long."
Galen Tyrol's head is shaved. He's jumping rope, listening to Baltar's broadcast. He's feeling something negative here--frustration, anger... but we don't get much information about the specifics. Tyrol turns off the radio; Nicolas starts to fuss and Tyrol turns the radio on again and starts jumping. What's motivating him to listen to the FCoPT illicit radio show is never made clear to me--it's some kind of compulsion, but is it part of Tyrol's grief? Is he drawn to the 'one true God' aspect, like Tory? Is listening to Gaius Baltar's voice the only thing that calms baby Nicky?! Heh.
Back aboard the Demetrius, Sharon is busy fomenting insurrection. You'd think cylon programming would make her more likely to follow orders, not less. *g* Helo defends Kara and points out that they're almost due to rendez-vous with Galactica. Two more days; they can all hold on a bit longer.
I'm impressed with how generally awful everyone looks. Apparently being under Kara's command means that sleep, grooming and hygiene are too hard to maintain?
Hotdog and Kara on CAP; they find the Heavy Raider, which is obviously damaged. Kara acts like this is exactly what she's been looking for. Leoben starts talking through the comm. Kara's reaction is... hard to describe. I'm still not sure what it is the second time through this episode. Leoben is talking about truce, a chance for Kara to 'complete her journey.'
Credits, then back to the Demetrius. The Heavy Raider is docked outside.
Oh, Gaeta gives us interesting information about the Heavy Raider. "The animal part that controls it looks dead." I've been wondering about that for a while. "Only one Leoben on board." So apparently Gaeta never learned a numeric designation while working with/against the cylons on New Caprica. This fits the theory that very few Leobens were actually on NC.
Guards bring in Leoben, the crew all point guns at him; Kara and Hotdog come in the other entrance.
I'm not sure why, but the idea of Kara Thrace talking to the hybrid just fills me with giddy anticipation.
Kara orders the Leoben to be taken to her quarters. Helo's not too impressed with that choice; neither is anyone else.
Tyrol talking to Foster. He's trying to make sense of Cally's death. Tory's not particularly helpful, which... well, duh. Eeek, Tory hasembraced the dark side fully invested herself in the whole one-true-God and perfect cylon creations mentality. Galen tells Tory that she spends way too much time with Baltar. Ha!
Sam is back from his scouting mission. I love it that everyone assumes he can go in the Captain's quarters when they can't because of orders. It must mean he's there a lot! Yay!
Oh, frak me. I can't quite believe that Kara's painting with Leoben and he's all over her. Touchy much, Leoben? I'd really like to know how they got to this point. At any rate, Sam is not very impressed with all of this, a scuffle ensues and Leoben is dragged away.
Helo confronts Kara about her choice to believe him "after everything he'd done to you." Again, Kara is super-twitchy.
Leoben in 'cold storage' with Sam. Dude, this episode now gets an A+ just because I finally get to see Leoben interact with someone else. And it's with Sam! Bonus! I really don't care what else happens after this. EEEEEE!
[insert keyboard mash here] I can't even begin to say how thrilled I am to see someone besides Kara and the seven known cylons interact with Leoben. It was awesome! I particularly love it that the whole thing is so enigmatic. What does Leoben know or not know? What does Sam think that Leoben knows? Eeeeeeexcellent.
eta: personally I don't think Leoben knows that Sam is a Dylan four cylon. But Sam may not be sure of that. /eta
Next scene, Sam is filling in Gaeta, Helo and the others with this information. No one else is impressed; Helo tries to get them to calm down--again. He asks Sharon if she's talking mutiny; yay for him calling her out on this. Kara comes in during the middle of this, says that they're going to get jump coordinates from the Heavy Raider.
Tory/Gaius, post-coital. Tory basically tells Gaius that he's not important enough for Roslin to bother with. She's quite good at these putdowns; Baltar tries to imply that his movement has gotten too big to be smacked down but Tory puts an end to that idea. Heh.
Baltar's crowd gathers, including Galen Tyrol. Tigh comes along. Apparently Tyrol has been dissatisfactory in some way to Tigh--is it job-related or because he's skipping the mandatory "Let's stop meeting" meetings? Also, Tigh is still meeting with Caprica Six. Tyrol makes a disdainful comment about Tory believing Baltar's one true God spiel, then adds this: "If there is a God, He's laughing his ass off." Tyrol walks away.
Mathias is doing an EVA on the Raider. Boom. NOT MATHIAS, YOU EVIL SHOW WRITERS! *sniff*
Gaius starts a new speech with the self-deprecating, "What are you all doing here?" Oh, Gaius. You're so full of it. When he sees Galen walking away, he calls him out specifically, asks him to shake hands and set aside differences, "If not for yourself, then for your wife." Galen instead says that Baltar's imaginary God can't forgive some things, then he puts Baltar in a choke hold. I'm a wee bit gleeful about it. The disciples force them apart. Galen leaves, yelling, "You didn't know her!"
Back in his quarters, he's clearly wigged out. (Heh. Ironic, since he has no hair now.) He looks suicidal--holding on to a gun, yelling. The yelling stops when he sees a picture of Cally and Nicky that's been strewn on the floor.
Kara goes into Leoben's lock-up room and starts wailing on him, accusing him of doing something to cause the explosion. His comment as she starts? "That's the Kara I used to know." *snerk* She's obviously feeling terrible about Mathias' death, and admits that she wasn't even on deck when it happened because she was 'too busy believing' him. Then she kicks him and yells at him to admit that it was a setup.
Okay... this whole conversation is still very ambiguous. Maybe she remembers about flying into the mandala, maybe she's referencing her whole life. Maybe he knows something about her visions as she spiraled into the storm, maybe he doesn't. It's certainly interesting, anyway.
eta2: From what I'm seeing online, most people are assuming that 1) Kara remembers flying into the mandala and 2) Leoben knows about what she saw then, too. Looking over the dialogue, I'd agree that it's possible, but not definite. /eta
The Demetrius crew is grumbling. Kara comes in and makes an unwise choice by talking about herself when she should be honoring Mathias. She then orders a jump prep--destination, the cylon basestar. More grumbling and Helo whacks a pilot who says something like, "You'd be the one to protect that cylon thing, right?" Um, bad choice of words, idiot.
Tyrol is lying in bed, gun on his stomach, staring at a picture of him with Cally. Baltar comes in for a cozy chat. What I find interesting about this whole episode is how capable he is of believing his own crap. He doesn't need a head!Six to say inspiring speeches anymore, not even one-on-one with Tyrol.
Baltar wraps up his speech with, "She was a very beautiful woman, your wife.... I would very much have liked to know her better." And immediately my mind goes there. Oh, Gaius, you're far too easy, and this just makes my mind go to bad places. I'm simultaneously creeped out and amused. Anyway, Galen does actually extend his hand to Gaius at the end of it. Again, I don't know what all of this means but I'm wildly curious to see where Tyrol is going with all of this.
Yup, it's mutiny time. Apparently even Helo can be persuaded to abandon his BFF. NOOOOOOO! Gaeta was already on that side. Sam is dismayed. Now Helo relieves Kara from duty. To be continued.
Man, I'm totally disappointed that the Heavy Raider is gone. I was already imagining Kara, Sam and Leoben having wacky adventures aboard it on their way.
This episode was much better upon reflection than it was when I was actually watching it. The focus was still split into three--Kara's special destiny, final four dealing with their nature and the First Church of Perfect Town. The latter two story lines are coming closer together. No Lee this week, or Roslin or Adama.
re: next week's trailer. AAAAAAAAACK! So much for my giddy anticipation.
Um, don't be surprised at a Kara Kara Kara Leoben Leoben Sam focus in what I write. And I actually stopped and transcribed parts
Day 58 now aboard the Demetrius. Okay. That's thirty-six days since last week's episode.
Helo tries to talk to Kara about meeting up with Galactica; she's too immersed in her search to listen. Kara is really twitchy in this scene: she's scratching her skin, which is covered in paint. Her facial expressions change in a flash. It's making me nervous just watching her.
When Helo points out that they've searched that grid twice now, she says, "Third time's a charm." He doesn't try and add any other complaints, instead asking if she's gotten any sleep. I'd say from the looks of her that the answer is no.
"It was so clear when I got back. If I could just focus. I know that I could find that sound again." I really don't think that Kara's the final cylon, but they're having lots of fun scattering false trails around. Even Cally Tyrol got to have her share of them.
Kara, in another mercurial twist, decides to fly CAP. Helo questions this (diplomatically, because that's how he works)--she hasn't flown since they left the fleet. Wow, it's no wonder her head's all screwed up. (Kara/Viper otp)
Shift to Baltar's First Church of Perfect-Town (thanks for the name,
nicole_anell) and a woman is expressing her anger over the destruction of the colonies, the loss of her husband and children. Though I'm iffy about this whole storyline, I'm 1) curious to see where it will go and 2) glad to see it gives somebody a voice to say what the common people feel. Gaius uses this as an opportunity to say that the Gods don't exist. Oh, and red-headed Charlie's Angel is right there, worshipping at his feet. Yikes. It looks like she's reaching for an amulet or something when Baltar and the angry woman discuss the non-existence of the Gods. Nice touch. Oh, and smiteThem!girl is there too."We have been pandering to our own ignorance for far too long."
Galen Tyrol's head is shaved. He's jumping rope, listening to Baltar's broadcast. He's feeling something negative here--frustration, anger... but we don't get much information about the specifics. Tyrol turns off the radio; Nicolas starts to fuss and Tyrol turns the radio on again and starts jumping. What's motivating him to listen to the FCoPT illicit radio show is never made clear to me--it's some kind of compulsion, but is it part of Tyrol's grief? Is he drawn to the 'one true God' aspect, like Tory? Is listening to Gaius Baltar's voice the only thing that calms baby Nicky?! Heh.
Back aboard the Demetrius, Sharon is busy fomenting insurrection. You'd think cylon programming would make her more likely to follow orders, not less. *g* Helo defends Kara and points out that they're almost due to rendez-vous with Galactica. Two more days; they can all hold on a bit longer.
I'm impressed with how generally awful everyone looks. Apparently being under Kara's command means that sleep, grooming and hygiene are too hard to maintain?
Hotdog and Kara on CAP; they find the Heavy Raider, which is obviously damaged. Kara acts like this is exactly what she's been looking for. Leoben starts talking through the comm. Kara's reaction is... hard to describe. I'm still not sure what it is the second time through this episode. Leoben is talking about truce, a chance for Kara to 'complete her journey.'
Credits, then back to the Demetrius. The Heavy Raider is docked outside.
Oh, Gaeta gives us interesting information about the Heavy Raider. "The animal part that controls it looks dead." I've been wondering about that for a while. "Only one Leoben on board." So apparently Gaeta never learned a numeric designation while working with/against the cylons on New Caprica. This fits the theory that very few Leobens were actually on NC.
Guards bring in Leoben, the crew all point guns at him; Kara and Hotdog come in the other entrance.
Leoben thanks Kara, tells her they were praying for a miracle.
"It wasn't a miracle. It's like I knew you were out there."
Gunny Mathias informs Helo what they have and haven't found so far aboard the Raider. Conventional weapons only, no nukes. He tells her to check for tracking devices.
Leoben stares at Kara. She says, "Don't look at me like that."
He apologizes, tells her that there are differences between who she was on NC and now.
"I'm the same person."
"I have eyes, I can see. God has taken you by the hand and purged you of the questions, the doubts. Your journey can finally begin. But there isn't much time, the others, the ones I left behind--they need your help. About as much as you need theirs."
"Why?"
Leoben leans in and whispers that her crew doesn't trust her; this is a step too close and the guards start to pull him away. He gets them to stop--rather, Kara tells them to stop when he describes the 'blue planet.' Tells her that the hybrid told him about it, that Kara needs to go talk to her.
I'm not sure why, but the idea of Kara Thrace talking to the hybrid just fills me with giddy anticipation.
Kara orders the Leoben to be taken to her quarters. Helo's not too impressed with that choice; neither is anyone else.
Tyrol talking to Foster. He's trying to make sense of Cally's death. Tory's not particularly helpful, which... well, duh. Eeek, Tory has
Sam is back from his scouting mission. I love it that everyone assumes he can go in the Captain's quarters when they can't because of orders. It must mean he's there a lot! Yay!
Oh, frak me. I can't quite believe that Kara's painting with Leoben and he's all over her. Touchy much, Leoben? I'd really like to know how they got to this point. At any rate, Sam is not very impressed with all of this, a scuffle ensues and Leoben is dragged away.
Helo confronts Kara about her choice to believe him "after everything he'd done to you." Again, Kara is super-twitchy.
Leoben in 'cold storage' with Sam. Dude, this episode now gets an A+ just because I finally get to see Leoben interact with someone else. And it's with Sam! Bonus! I really don't care what else happens after this. EEEEEE!
Leoben tells Sam that he needs to work things out with Kara, "You weren't meant to be enemies." Does this mean Leoben is a Kara/Sam shipper?
Sam demands to know what Leoben wants from Kara. "The same thing I've always wanted. For her to understand her destiny."
"That's not good enough."
"It's good enough for her." Leoben then gives Sam his 'basic article of faith' speech about how this is not all that we are. Sam is really freaked. Then Leoben laughs and says, "C-Bucs rule."
I, uh, actually shrieked out loud at this point. Hee!
Sam asks, "What did you just say?"
"Forward guard, right? I saw a couple of games, you were good. Yet after all the celebrity and acclaim, what were you? Just another face selling magazines, another piece of scoreboard trivia; you always knew you were destined for more. You were just waiting for your singular moment of clarity."
"Maybe I just found it." He moves menacingly toward Leoben.
"You kill me, Kara's dream dies with me."
"I don't think so. I think you download into another Leoben body and you spew more lies."
Leoben tells him no, that they were attacked out of resurrection ship range, left alive and set adrift. Sam asks a question.
"War has broken out between the cylon. Battle lines have been drawn between those who embrace their nature and those who fear it."
"Good. You can blow yourselves to hell, for all I care." Sam starts to walk out.
"That's one way. That's one way. There's another. An alliance." Sam stops walking and turns around at the word. "Allow our paths to converge. You save us from our savage brothers and our old (??) one, the hybrid, will show Kara the righteous path. And together, they'll lead us to the promised land. Together we will find Earth."
Sam leaves.
[insert keyboard mash here] I can't even begin to say how thrilled I am to see someone besides Kara and the seven known cylons interact with Leoben. It was awesome! I particularly love it that the whole thing is so enigmatic. What does Leoben know or not know? What does Sam think that Leoben knows? Eeeeeeexcellent.
eta: personally I don't think Leoben knows that Sam is a Dylan four cylon. But Sam may not be sure of that. /eta
Next scene, Sam is filling in Gaeta, Helo and the others with this information. No one else is impressed; Helo tries to get them to calm down--again. He asks Sharon if she's talking mutiny; yay for him calling her out on this. Kara comes in during the middle of this, says that they're going to get jump coordinates from the Heavy Raider.
Tory/Gaius, post-coital. Tory basically tells Gaius that he's not important enough for Roslin to bother with. She's quite good at these putdowns; Baltar tries to imply that his movement has gotten too big to be smacked down but Tory puts an end to that idea. Heh.
Baltar's crowd gathers, including Galen Tyrol. Tigh comes along. Apparently Tyrol has been dissatisfactory in some way to Tigh--is it job-related or because he's skipping the mandatory "Let's stop meeting" meetings? Also, Tigh is still meeting with Caprica Six. Tyrol makes a disdainful comment about Tory believing Baltar's one true God spiel, then adds this: "If there is a God, He's laughing his ass off." Tyrol walks away.
Mathias is doing an EVA on the Raider. Boom. NOT MATHIAS, YOU EVIL SHOW WRITERS! *sniff*
Gaius starts a new speech with the self-deprecating, "What are you all doing here?" Oh, Gaius. You're so full of it. When he sees Galen walking away, he calls him out specifically, asks him to shake hands and set aside differences, "If not for yourself, then for your wife." Galen instead says that Baltar's imaginary God can't forgive some things, then he puts Baltar in a choke hold. I'm a wee bit gleeful about it. The disciples force them apart. Galen leaves, yelling, "You didn't know her!"
Back in his quarters, he's clearly wigged out. (Heh. Ironic, since he has no hair now.) He looks suicidal--holding on to a gun, yelling. The yelling stops when he sees a picture of Cally and Nicky that's been strewn on the floor.
Kara goes into Leoben's lock-up room and starts wailing on him, accusing him of doing something to cause the explosion. His comment as she starts? "That's the Kara I used to know." *snerk* She's obviously feeling terrible about Mathias' death, and admits that she wasn't even on deck when it happened because she was 'too busy believing' him. Then she kicks him and yells at him to admit that it was a setup.
Leoben tells her to hit him, she makes some low-voiced retort, he tells her that she shouldn't stop killing him now (referencing the many times she killed him on NC).
"Come on, do it. I won't come back this time, I promise." Awwww... heh. "Resurrection ship's well out of range, come on, do it." She hesitates, fist poised to strike. "Do it!" he yells. Instead she lets go of him, stares at him. "Doesn't help, does it." She slides to the floor and grips her head. "Nothing feels quite like it did before."
He says something else... ??? Go ahead?
She asks, "What are you doing to me?"
"All of your life you forced back the truth by lashing out at everyone around you... (anaesthetizing?) yourself with ambrosia and affairs. But you've lost the taste for those petty things."
She's defensive. "I'm the same person."
"No. There's a void and emptiness that can only be filled by taking the next step on your journey."
"What happened to me the two months I was missing?"
"I don't know."
Kara continues: "The mandala, the paintings, my mother. It had to mean something."
"You have to make peace with your past."
She asks why.
He answers, "Because that part of you is gone. I told you when I first came aboard this ship that you had changed. I look at you now, I don't see Kara Thrace I see an angel, blazing with the light of God, an angel. You are to lead our people home."
Okay... this whole conversation is still very ambiguous. Maybe she remembers about flying into the mandala, maybe she's referencing her whole life. Maybe he knows something about her visions as she spiraled into the storm, maybe he doesn't. It's certainly interesting, anyway.
eta2: From what I'm seeing online, most people are assuming that 1) Kara remembers flying into the mandala and 2) Leoben knows about what she saw then, too. Looking over the dialogue, I'd agree that it's possible, but not definite. /eta
The Demetrius crew is grumbling. Kara comes in and makes an unwise choice by talking about herself when she should be honoring Mathias. She then orders a jump prep--destination, the cylon basestar. More grumbling and Helo whacks a pilot who says something like, "You'd be the one to protect that cylon thing, right?" Um, bad choice of words, idiot.
Tyrol is lying in bed, gun on his stomach, staring at a picture of him with Cally. Baltar comes in for a cozy chat. What I find interesting about this whole episode is how capable he is of believing his own crap. He doesn't need a head!Six to say inspiring speeches anymore, not even one-on-one with Tyrol.
Baltar wraps up his speech with, "She was a very beautiful woman, your wife.... I would very much have liked to know her better." And immediately my mind goes there. Oh, Gaius, you're far too easy, and this just makes my mind go to bad places. I'm simultaneously creeped out and amused. Anyway, Galen does actually extend his hand to Gaius at the end of it. Again, I don't know what all of this means but I'm wildly curious to see where Tyrol is going with all of this.
Yup, it's mutiny time. Apparently even Helo can be persuaded to abandon his BFF. NOOOOOOO! Gaeta was already on that side. Sam is dismayed. Now Helo relieves Kara from duty. To be continued.
Man, I'm totally disappointed that the Heavy Raider is gone. I was already imagining Kara, Sam and Leoben having wacky adventures aboard it on their way.
This episode was much better upon reflection than it was when I was actually watching it. The focus was still split into three--Kara's special destiny, final four dealing with their nature and the First Church of Perfect Town. The latter two story lines are coming closer together. No Lee this week, or Roslin or Adama.
re: next week's trailer. AAAAAAAAACK! So much for my giddy anticipation.
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Oh my GOD. I would have had a breakdown. Especially since all the reactions were "OMG they really did it they really killed her," which, uh, wasn't exactly how I saw things. ;)
Kara is really twitchy in this scene: she's scratching her skin, which is covered in paint. Her facial expressions change in a flash. It's making me nervous just watching her.
Yeah, she's driven herself thoroughly around the bend holed up in that room. Plus, she's feeling this compulsion to go out and find the cylons.
glad to see it gives somebody a voice to say what the common people feel.
Mmm hmm, and I thought it was important to show why people beyond the Manson family would be attracted to Baltar's message. It makes sense that they'd feel their gods let them down and would need something else to cling to.
Is listening to Gaius Baltar's voice the only thing that calms baby Nicky?! Heh.
At first I thought he was listening to Baltar to drown out his son, and that made me so sad! But I think Baltar's voice has magic hybrid-baby calming powers. Worked on Here too, didn't it?
They've really abandoned Sharon as a character and this episode just highlighted it. Not only how does she feel about Kara, given their friendship and Kara being maybe one of the Final 5, but ... she has no reaction to the Cylon civil war? Grr!
I love it that everyone assumes he can go in the Captain's quarters when they can't because of orders. It must mean he's there a lot! Yay!
Yup yup yup. *glee*
Helo confronts Kara about her choice to believe him "after everything he'd done to you." Again, Kara is super-twitchy.
I was REALLY glad that wasn't just ignored. I know Kara remembers the role Leoben played for her in Maelstrom so she's past it, but I was glad to have Sam and Helo acknowledge what happened.
SO much love for the Leoben/Sam conversation. Oh, irony. I love that the thing that pulls Sam into accepting himself (I think that's where this is going) is the possibility of Cylon/human reconciliation. I don't think Leoben knows what Sam is, but he is really good at pushing those buttons, isn't he?
Does this mean Leoben is a Kara/Sam shipper?
They really want to make me like him, don't they? ;) I think it worked. (He also said "I can see why she's so fond of you," when Sam pushed him away from her the first time. Yaay, closed caps!) This is what I've been saying! Their relationship has to be important in the grand scheme of things and it can't be as enemies. eee!
Maybe she remembers about flying into the mandala, maybe she's referencing her whole life.
Verheiden confirmed that she does remember her vision about her mother, so I assumed that was what she was referring to. (I also think she thinks ALL of that was a dream, including her "suicide.") It really surprised me that Leoben didn't even blink, but I guess he's been talking to the Hybrid.
re: next week's trailer. AAAAAAAAACK! So much for my giddy anticipation.
Oh jeez. Don't tell me, okay? I wanna enjoy this happy feeling as long as I can!
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of course, half of that was me quoting stuff.
*rolls eyes at self*
Oh my GOD. I would have had a breakdown.
That episode and the season finale both took a really long time to get released to iTunes. IT WAS AWFUL! I was checking my computer in a panic every chance I had.
Mmm hmm, and I thought it was important to show why people beyond the Manson family would be attracted to Baltar's message. It makes sense that they'd feel their gods let them down and would need something else to cling to.
Yes. Plus, apparently there are no psychologists left, judging by the actions/attitudes of the pilots. Heh.
They've really abandoned Sharon as a character and this episode just highlighted it. Not only how does she feel about Kara, given their friendship and Kara being maybe one of the Final 5, but ... she has no reaction to the Cylon civil war? Grr!
Gah, I've said this a lot lately--there are so many cool possibilities they could use with Sharon working for the fleet, but they just ignore them!
I was REALLY glad that wasn't just ignored. I know Kara remembers the role Leoben played for her in Maelstrom so she's past it, but I was glad to have Sam and Helo acknowledge what happened.
Yes. Glossing it over would've been unfair. And it makes me happy that Helo knows.
SO much love for the Leoben/Sam conversation. Oh, irony. I love that the thing that pulls Sam into accepting himself (I think that's where this is going) is the possibility of Cylon/human reconciliation. I don't think Leoben knows what Sam is, but he is really good at pushing those buttons, isn't he?
It was awesome! I think I want a tee-shirt now that says "C-Bucs rule!" Heh. And yes, Leoben probably doesn't know about Sam but he can figure out how to get a reaction anyway.
(He also said "I can see why she's so fond of you," when Sam pushed him away from her the first time. Yaay, closed caps!)
Hee! Yes,
Verheiden confirmed that she does remember her vision about her mother, so I assumed that was what she was referring to.
Eh, until we get actual in-show confirmation, I'm just going to sit here on the fence. I could see it either way.
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That's actually something I've been wanting to know since they first introduced the heavy raider--which begs the question, did Leoben kill it, or was it injured while he was flying around, looking for Kara, or were they out, shooting at the other Cylons and then he got the Kara-signal?
NOT MATHIAS, YOU EVIL SHOW WRITERS!
*crankyflaily noises* Why couldn't they have killed Pike? He was annoying.
Does this mean Leoben is a Kara/Sam shipper?
I think it means Leoben has moved beyond wanting Kara for himself, and thinks she's truly destined for something else entirely. But, y'know, along the way, she needs people to support her. And who better than Sam? (I get more pragmatic on Saturdays)
Or, in short answer: YES HE IS.
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Hm. I don't know. But now I'm giggling trying to imagine a 'Kara-signal' only detectable by Leobens, 'cause you know they'd totally want something like that... or maybe a signal only audible to Heavy Raiders, sort of like high-pitched whistles and dogs.
*crankyflaily noises* Why couldn't they have killed Pike? He was annoying.
*nods* On the other hand, we at least have confirmation that Jean Barolay is alive. So yay for that. Is she supposed to be a marine now, because otherwise I have no idea what she's doing on the Demetrius.
Or, in short answer: YES HE IS.
The fannish hive mind has spoken, apparently. *g*
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Um, hell yeah. Until Leoben's disembodied voice is heard everywhere. That was freaky.
What's motivating him to listen to the FCoPT illicit radio show is never made clear to me--it's some kind of compulsion, but is it part of Tyrol's grief? Is he drawn to the 'one true God' aspect, like Tory? Is listening to Gaius Baltar's voice the only thing that calms baby Nicky?! Heh.
All of the above? Besides didn't Cally read Baltar's book and believe in some things Baltar wrote? But sometimes you just surf. How much radio is there, anyway?
Gaeta gives us interesting information about the Heavy Raider. "The animal part that controls it looks dead." I've been wondering about that for a while. "Only one Leoben on board."
Gaeta is so smart. :-) I always wondered, how do they fit the animal part and a humanoid in there? Does Leoben just ride? Does he have a seatbelt? Just curious.
I'm not sure why, but the idea of Kara Thrace talking to the hybrid just fills me with giddy anticipation.
Ooh, I dread it. The Old!Guy hybrid did not have good things to say about Kara Thrace.
love it that everyone assumes he can go in the Captain's quarters when they can't because of orders. It must mean he's there a lot!
Well, he's not just a nugget, he's her husband. But now he's not the only one allowed in now! You must have loved this!
I'd really like to know how they got to this point.
Ooh, a prompt! Maybe I could write that for you! I'll have to rewatch this.
Bonus! I really don't care what else happens after this.
Hee! Thanks for much needed squee. :-) This wasn't my favorite ep, but you're fun when you're happy.
Gaius starts a new speech with the self-deprecating, "What are you all doing here?" Oh, Gaius. You're so full of it.
His ego, his ego. It's a wonder he fits it and him both in a room. But he's got this charm about him, I have to admit. Especially when he seems humble.
Apparently even Helo can be persuaded to abandon his BFF. NOOOOOOO! Gaeta was already on that side.
Hee! It is sad when BFFs come to a parting of ways. And I liked Kara's moment of true surprise when Gaeta says, "No." She really thought he'd support her?
Your review and squee make the ep much more enjoyable to me. I can almost forget my girl is still a little crazy and being manipulated and all her friends have turned against her. But they all looked good and sweaty during the mutiny! I feel maybe another pirate!fic coming on. And focusing just on the sweatiest of details.
Hee!
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Well, when I was just imagining it, it was lots more fun. Sadly I'm now all freaked out and worried.
Well, he's not just a nugget, he's her husband. But now he's not the only one allowed in now! You must have loved this!
Actually... it was a bit creepy, how much Leoben was touching her, because I don't want Kara to allow that at this point. But creepy is probably what they were going for. It's weird, though. The Leoben we've seen dealing with Kara on NC didn't really touch her much. He got into her space, yes, but didn't make much contact. So this is a huge change. (Head!notLeoben was different. I think. My brain hurts now, heh.)
Hee! Thanks for much needed squee. :-) This wasn't my favorite ep, but you're fun when you're happy.
Yay, I'm glad to have provided some positive thoughts about it!
I can almost forget my girl is still a little crazy and being manipulated and all her friends have turned against her. But they all looked good and sweaty during the mutiny! I feel maybe another pirate!fic coming on. And focusing just on the sweatiest of details.
Whee! *bounce bounce bounce*
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And any momentum gained by the Kara/Leoben/Sam scenes was immediately lost with Gaius and Tyrol. I can't bring myself to care about Gaius or Tyrol. And even Kara is frustrating me a bit!
Help!
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Heh, all my Kara-centric friends are finding this episode a tough one. Yes, I'm a Kara fan too, but I do like the ensemble as well, which helps. Galen is scaring me! I'm worried! I don't want Baltar to have the First Church of Perfect-Town and Recently Activated Cylons! (Keep fighting it, Tigh!)
*uses newly-acquired Puppet-Angel icon to cheer you up*
Everything is better with puppet-Angel!